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Managing Nursing Homes with RT Patients

By Joanna Hudak posted 01-05-2018 04:01

  
​Does anyone have any experience with managing a SNF that takes trach's and Vents? 
With hospitals starting to overflow beyond IP capacity on an almost daily basis hospitals are now looking to SNF's to take patients with trach's and vents. I would love to talk to someone else who is experienced with managing a SNF RT department. 
The idea that nursing and RT will share "tasks" is a very difficult way to staff,  and when there are callouts- the RT's are expected to absorb all the RT related work, which is difficult to achieve.  There is reluctance in wanting to staff 2 RT's 24/7, however nursing call outs & vacancies appear to be up and down.
In my mind from a respiratory standpoint of care, vents and trach's in a SNF frequently require the same amount of direct time to maintain their baseline RT status as they do in the hospital setting.   However there appears to be a disconnect between getting SNF leadership to understand that.  These patients still require trach care, suctioning, vent checks (less frequently, but still checked), equipment change outs and sometimes routine hyperinflation therapy/ HHN treatments. 
The paid Reimbursement from insurance companies and CMS does not appear to support these RT patients very well in the SNF setting. Readmissions to Acute Care are a focus, and over the years the patients in the SNF's are more acute then 5-10 years ago. 
 Hospital technology has changed and improved, however that seems to have resulted in more complex patients coming into the SNF's for care.  The SNF's margins are so small and nursing ratios are high in comparison to hospital ratios.  In my observation, SNF's have the least amount of budgeted help, resources, technology, IT technology, and helpful products. The KSA's of the nursing staff caring for these patients can also be a challenge due to the continual competition with the acute care hospitals to recruit the best and brightest nursing staff.  Benefits are usually less in the SNF's then hospitals therefore recruiting and retaining solid staff can be a challenge.
Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any experience in this arena.  I am open to thoughts and suggestions on this topic.
I would love to talk about this topic/ email about it.
Thank you,
Joanna
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07-11-2018 08:58

Love this thread. I manage a 17 bed Ventilator Dependent Care Unit in a 87 bed SNF for a company that owns many facilities. Just in our facility, even though I am hired strictly for the VDCU, I have held many nursing In-services for non-ventilated Trach patients among other respiratory type consults. I have also gone to a dialysis center we work with to train their nurses so they will except our patients. The nursing staff just does not seem to feel comfortable at these facilities. I would like to try to propose to the executives promoting me and creating a position for me as the director of respiratory therapy for all of their facilities. 
Feel free to email me  lnorris1003@comcast.net. Christian Becker, I am also very interested in how you became a consultant. Is this your personal business? I have been throwing around the consulting idea for awhile now and would love to hear all about it.

04-26-2018 16:54

I am currently pioneering a RT Department/ Consult Service at at 238 bed SNF. I have started from the ground up, and I'm proud of the accomplishments I've made during my first year on the job. It's been tough, but, I'm taking it slow, not giving up, and putting my patients care first and foremost! I feel like a Jack-of-all-trades in my position. It's a whirlwind sometimes. I've taken the time to build relationships and trust with patients and staff. I have done numerous in-services, education with staff and family members. Respiratory protocols obtained from AARC have been tweaked and initiated. So much has been done, yet there is still so much to do. I'm currently searching for a template and developing my own Respiratory Care Responsibilities and Frequency Outline. Not sure what to call it, but that seems legit. Thank you all for your wonderful input on this new and exciting endeavor. We are making a difference!

04-13-2018 21:13

I do not run a SNF based RT department. I work as an RT consultant to numerous SNFs in the Long Island, NY area. None of the facilities where I am involved handle vents, but they do accept traches & patients on NIPPV, HFNC, etc. I agree with your observations that profit margins are slim, patient to nurse ratios are high and there is a “disconnect” between administration and front line staff. This is particularly true in SNFs that are owned by large corporations who are run by MBA types and bean counters. I have been offered numerous directorship positions, but I turned them down because as a consultant, I can say “NO” if I don’t like how an organization is being managed and cancel my contract with them. I have a clause in my contract that allows me to do so. In order for SNFs to be profitable, they need to have a higher ratio of short term rehab beds vs long term care. The short term stays tend to have a better profit margin than long term. Dementia units are particularly demanding on SNF staffing. What I have been doing is setting up what I call “Transitional Cardiopulmonary Care” programs in these facilities to manage chronic COPD, ILD, OHS &CHF patients. I establish patient driven protocols and incorporate the protocols into the EMR. I provide training for the nursing & rehab staff, interface with medical staff and administration. I have been able to reduce readmission rates, and improve care quality at the SNFs. I think this is a topic that should be actively discussed in the Post Acute Care Section. I believe this is an opportunity for RTs to expand their careers, particularly as Advanced Practitioners. We need to change how RT services are reimbursed across the board. We need to be able to bill for our services just as PT’s can bill for their services!